Hello and welcome to this Spunky Spirit episode. Today I have with me Kelly Coulter. She is a psychic
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medium. She also does, is it forensic? It's sleuth, right? Sleuth investigation psychic
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media. Psychic investigation, yeah. Yeah. And you have a website called the sleuth, the third eye
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sleuth, right? Yes. Yep. Yes. So kind of tell us a little bit. So I don't really have, I've only
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ever done like one forensic reading and it kind of scared me because some of the stuff, I mean it
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matched but then I felt like I was, I got nervous about it. So I kind of stopped doing forensics.
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I don't do forensics a lot. So I'm so intrigued about this because I just am so excited to have you
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want to talk about this because I do have some students that sometimes want to know about it and
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I don't go in that direction. And you also do paranormal too, right? Yeah. Yes. Sometimes I do.
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Yep. That's awesome. So tell me a little bit about yourself and kind of like how you knew
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where it all began and where it started and how you knew you were psychic medium.
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Well, yeah, how did I know? I know, right? I'm actually, I'm a former teacher, school teacher,
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so that's why I like enjoy teaching classes still. But as far as knowing when I really
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felt I was psychic medium, I guess like I have like memories from when I was little and I have
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specific events like I'm a big dreamer. So I have visitation dreams and actually the very first time
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I think I accepted it was when I was asleep and my dad came to me in a dream and he was in the
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hospital the time and he said, you know, goodbye and I love you and all this and just like Thursday
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and then when I write them the phone ring and it was the hospital saying he passed. So that's,
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yeah, that's something that you just kind of can't ignore. Yeah. And that was when I was 12,
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but I'm super old now. So it was back when we didn't have any internet. And we didn't really
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know what it was, right? Because I kind of had the same experience with my grandfather,
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same kind of thing, but it was my grandfather. And back then you just don't know, right? You
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don't, well, because they didn't really talk about mediums. They didn't really,
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there was no internet. And if you saw anything, it was all Hollywood stuff, right? So you just kind
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of didn't know. So what made you like, so you kind of knew when you were younger, but what made
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you kind of go forward with that? So I think I probably squashed it down quite a bit, like a lot
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of people do, right? And you know, you're drawn to things like horoscope and yes, I always do. Yes,
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I know. Because you don't know what else to do. And I don't know about you, but I grew up in a
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Christian family. So then there was, you know, that. So yeah, so go ahead. So I wasn't brought up
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in a Christian family. I was actually, my dad was a severe alcoholic. And so, but what I did was
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when I got older, I went completely Christian, like to a religion because I wanted answers,
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right? Like I wanted, so I totally went completely the opposite direction because I thought what I
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had was evil or what I was doing was evil. So I thought if I joined a religion, it would make it
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better. So it was kind of different. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people,
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you know, do that. And I actually still kind of struggle with that. Yeah. concept, you know.
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To be honest. And I mean, I'm working it out, but I still kind of struggle with that. I think we
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all do. I think all mediums do kind of, I mean, I know the ones that I've talked to, maybe all of
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them don't, but I kind of think that there is that kind of coming out of kind of coming out of the
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spiritual closet, right? Of like, that's why it took me so long is because I did join this religion.
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And then I was so scared to step it out of, because to me, I had, I couldn't do both. I had to like
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step out of one to go into the other because my mind was just so black and white. And so,
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so I think that I think we all kind of have that, are you going to do it or that ledge that we have
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to jump off of, right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it wasn't until I was later, maybe
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right before COVID hit, and then you know how you could take all the classes online. Yes. And so
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that kick started it. And I actually had another event happen and a surgery that went wrong. And so
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that kind of, you know, kick started again, right? Did you have a spiritual experience when the
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surgery or anything like that? Or you just kind of just, well, another dream. A grandmother came to
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me and said, don't do it. Don't do the surgery. Oh, good. Don't do the surgery. I thought she was
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saying don't do the mediumship, but don't do this. Oh, no. No, she's like, guide now. Guide found. Yes.
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And, and so, you know, I listened for a while. And then I like three months later, they switched
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the doctor and they offered me, you know, another time I'm like, okay, maybe she meant not with that
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doctor. Right. But no, she meant the whole surgery. So I had a horrible experience where they
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performed the wrong surgery. So it's one of those, you know, it's how it happens. We did. You don't
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listen. I've had, yes, if you don't sometimes listen, then bad experiences can happen. And yes,
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I've had some of those. Or just that you, that's what wakens it up. And you just go full blown.
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Like this, you know, is not, this is real. This isn't made up. Yes. So then I started. Yeah. So what
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made you so I, you know, our stories are kind of similar. I went into just doing readings, like
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for people all the time. So I dabbled a little bit in forensic, and it kind of messed me up a little.
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So what made you decide to go into the investigation or the forensic type? And even the
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paranormal, we'll get to that next. But yeah, to do the other, does that make sense? So what made
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you decide to do the forensic part of it or the sleuth part of it? It's not, it's not for everyone,
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for sure. But I took, I took a class actually with Tony Stockwell, right? I had, I take some of
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his classes too. Yeah, I've taken some of his classes too. Not the sleuth ones, not the investigation
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ones, but some other ones. Yes. He's, yeah, he's awesome. So it just something about it. For me,
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I feel like I'm helping in some way. Yes. Kind of silly, but a lot of people don't like it because
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they don't like to look at all the dark stuff that goes with it. But for me, I feel like kind of like
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shining light on the dark. I don't know how to, it's kind of. No, I totally get it. I'll tell you a
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little bit about my experience. And so maybe you can, so I didn't know I was doing a forensic
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reading when I was doing it. So I, someone had called in and they wanted to know about their
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missing, their missing child. And I had gotten pretty much everything accurate, except for the
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fact that he had, they, well, so I told them that they were going to find him in, or he was going
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to, they were going to see him again in February. And then I said that they were going to find him
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on a river by a forest, like a forest. And then I told them that they would be finding him in a
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certain state. And like a, like Oregon. And so, but the thing that bothered me is I never really
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felt his spirit. I just got all that information, right? Or I didn't know it was his spirit. And
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so they did find him in Oregon. They did find him in February and they did find him on a street
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called River Forest. Oh my goodness. So I, but the thing is, is he passed and I didn't see that part.
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I didn't see that he'd passed or, and I don't know if it's because I don't let spirit show me
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that, that's that, you know, like when people pass or anything like that, but it kind of just made me
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frustrated that I maybe had led this mother the wrong way or in the wrong direction because I
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didn't see that he'd already passed. And I don't really, so then I kind of got nervous about forensics,
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right? So then I kind of stopped. Yeah. So, so do you teach though how to do the part, don't you?
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Yeah. So yes. You know, when I always start, like, it's like a practice, right? From when I'm,
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when I'm teaching other people, it's different. And if I work in a group, I have a, like a,
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I don't know if I'm going to call it professional team that we work on cases for people. So cool.
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Yeah. And that works differently. And I'll kind of tell you maybe the difference between them.
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Okay. So like when I'm teaching students, I, I start out always with psychometrizing a picture
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of the victim or the person missing and just have them kind of go in raw and just get, go ahead,
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get the feeling. I just want to explain to my listeners what psychometry is. Okay. So that's
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when you like hold on to something or an item of theirs and you can feel, Tyler Henry does this a
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lot. You can feel their energy or feel it's in view, kind of like remote viewing a little bit.
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Well, not, not like remote viewing. You explain it. Maybe. Yeah. So some people like don't necessarily
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think that photo is psychometrizing, but it really is. It totally is. You can, it's like the windows
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are the eyes to the soul. And that's completely true. I totally believe it. So for instance,
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different people get different things. Sometimes people will get, if there's kind of a
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flat look in the eyes, then that means for them, the person's past. If they're more like wet or
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kind of moist and they're alive. I have some students who are fabulous and they see things like
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the lips will be moving like they actually talk. Oh, that's a photo if they're alive.
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If they don't. So it's really, it's so interesting. Sometimes I just get the popcorn and just watch my
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students work because they're amazing. Yeah, I know when I watch some of my students, it's so cool
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to see them grow and see. I love that. So keep going about how, so before I interrupt, because
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all of my listeners know I'm totally ADHD and they totally get it. But so before I interrupt,
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what you were talking about is I kind of dream. Do you remember what we were? So yeah, that's just,
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that's how I always start when I'm teaching. And so they go in kind of wrong. They don't have
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anything. They don't know anything, name or anything. And then I have them do like one,
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one go through and they get like kind of like the top layer of what we're looking for. So they might
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get names, dates, personality, what they do for a profession. And then I have them do a deeper
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sweep after that. And then I ask them to feel into do you feel like they're past or alive?
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Where are they? If they're missing, you know, who's involved? And sometimes it's hard to not do that
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all at the same time. Because actually, that's how I do it. But I know we're practicing. That's how
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I have them practice. And then we do, I call it spirit art. But it's really not like you think
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of when people actually are drawing spirit. They can if they're, if they're good at that,
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they might draw the suspect or might pop. I have some that are super good at mapping. So they'll
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draw the location. I know. Sometimes people just write down words or maybe they get a bird and
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they'll draw a bird or why'd I draw a bird, you know, just whatever kind of like readings, basically
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just like readings, right? Yeah, that's exactly what happens during readings. Exactly. And then I
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forgot to say between this time, I usually put them like in breakout rooms and then they
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discuss together what they got. And then we come together as a group. And that's kind of how
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our professional group works. We also do like a first glance without knowing information. And then
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when we come together, the professional group is your group that you actually do investigations
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with, right? And your students are like, Okay, thank you. Yes, I want to make sure. Thanks for
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clarifying. Yeah, I jumped, but you're good for the topic. But yes, so this group, we get together
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like every Wednesday and somebody will, the professional group, and somebody will bring
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a case. And then everybody kind of goes in cold. They don't know anything about it.
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And then the magic happens when we all get together. So now, okay, so I don't mean to
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interrupt, but I take a class, a paranormal class with Cindy Keza. Yes, it was, yes. And it was kind
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of she did the kind of same thing, right? And then you'd all cut she'd show you the place and you
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would go in cold and look at all the things and then come together as a group and kind of talk
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about what you've got. So that's kind of cool, because you just keep practicing, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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Maybe we were in that class together because I don't know. Maybe we were. That's funny. Yeah,
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I think it was like last around October that I took it. I bet you we were.
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Was it the the Gaines guy? Was that did she show that one that I don't know what his name was that
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one in seventies that that her see that's the dark stuff. I don't sometimes my memories. Yeah,
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keep going. It's you're good. Keep going. And presenters. Yes. I love Cindy Keza, by the way.
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Thank you. So and then we get together and that's like actually you as you just said,
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we all get together and so somebody will say something and that might hit us like, oh, yeah,
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that really feels right. Yeah, like we hadn't thought of that or we that wasn't in our awareness yet.
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Or sometimes we know that doesn't feel right as well. And that happens as well. But we generally
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get like a consensus of what we feel. And then sometimes it takes us like a couple of three
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or four weeks to narrow down our findings when we're working on the professional case.
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That's actually got a cool. So how did you form this group? Did you form it or did
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find other mediums that wanted to just do it? Actually, this group are all media psychic mediums
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from I think Tony's class. Oh, nice. Yeah, he was supposed to be on this podcast, but he got a flu.
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He got the flu. So yeah, so the first time he showed I showed up and he was like five minutes
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late. So I thought he was I thought he forgot or did the second time he got the flu. So hopefully
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he'll come back. Yeah. Yeah, he's pretty awesome. He's a good teacher. Yeah, he is. Yeah. So some of us
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had taken all those classes, all the psychic advanced psychic detection with him. I think
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there's like 10 of us left. And so we are we formed a group and we continue to work together.
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Nice. That's awesome. Good for you guys. So so do you kind of like the investigation part of it better?
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I mean, not better. I wouldn't say that it. But do you like do you do more in that realm than just
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do like regular read like readings? Does that make sense? Yes. So what do I like? I like them both.
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I mean, like I get I go down a rabbit hole on the investigation. Yeah, I know. I bet you that would
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be yeah. So I guess my biggest fear and this is like is I don't want to screw up the investigation.
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Right. Like I don't want to see because I was watching and I tell my students all the time why
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I don't do forensics. I tell them that I watched a you know, Hollywood the shows on TV. And I think
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it was like a criminal minds and they were following a medium and a psychic and the psychic was
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leading them to this place. And then the facts were leading him to this place. And the psychic was
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like, I just keep seeing a beach. I see that he's by a beach. I see this. And so they decided to go
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with the facts and they went to the apartment where the boy was. And it was a big city apartment.
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But when they opened up the windows, there was a picture or a mural of a beach. And I'm like,
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I just don't want to lead. I would you know what I mean? Like I would I don't want to. Yes. Oh,
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I know. I know. About. Yeah, it's it's difficult, especially when you're working with a family.
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You know, or law enforcement, it's really it's. Have you actually ever I mean, I do you do the
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practice things with the cold cases or do you do you have you actually worked with a family before?
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Or families all the time. Yeah, all the time. Yeah. All the time with the families we practice if
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we don't have a case to work on we practice on different cases. But we so just you alone or your
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professional team. Your I do it too by myself. Some recent ones I worked on with myself and
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then some of my students and and going in it was a missing person. And now there's you know,
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findings now. Yeah. So where are you from? What area are you from? I'm from California. Okay,
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so I'm from Idaho. And the biggest one recently, well, like in the last couple of years was the
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daybell, the Lori Vallow and the Chad daybell stuff that was going on here. And everybody,
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do you know that case where Lori and yes, kind of that was holding that two kids with.
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Yeah, that was a hard one. And I tried really not to like get involved in that one or pick
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up stuff because because I didn't because it was just such a such a heavy heavy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And in our society or community, it was just such a big deal. And so, yeah, it was so how
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do you kind of like, I guess it would be like readings, the same as readings, right? You kind of
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with the grief, you kind of just remove yourself from the sitter and the grief, you kind of remove
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yourself from that and just go straight in, right? I mean, I'm just, yes, no, that's right. It's,
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it's like I said, I try, I like to think of it as helping, like you're making something better,
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better and shiny. I really liked that that you said that. Yeah, that's what I always say. Yeah.
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That's just how I feel. A lot of people, it's too overwhelming. And for me too, I mean, some of
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them, I'm sure. Yeah, I tell people all the time, I see a counselor regularly because of the grief
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and the readings because you have to like, you have to take that break, right? You have to, yeah.
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For sure. Yeah. And some will hit you harder than others. It's just, you know,
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in some of you, you take with you, I think forever, some of them, what you'd have to, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. So I just am amazed and so in awe of that. I just think that's amazing. I think that's
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maybe one day I'll go into that. I just, I just don't know if it's for me right now.
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It's not for everybody. And that's what I always say because I'll have people that, oh, yeah,
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I want to take a class with you. And then one time and they're like, I can't do it. Yeah. And
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it's just, I don't know what it is. I mean, I think it's, I like to set the intention that I'm
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helping and they do too, but it just hits them differently, I think. So can I kind of ask you,
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I'm going to ask you kind of first, you can kind of, so when I was doing the class with Cindy
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Gaze at, there was one of the things that she showed us. It was, I think his name was Gaines.
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He killed, this is kind of gory, but he was, he went into that, and I didn't ever know about this
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person. And so maybe I've got his last names wrong, but it happened in the 70s and he killed all those,
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like he, like tore apart. So if you guys are from my Spunksters, if you're listening with kids,
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just turn it down for a minute. So anyways, I saw like the, I saw some of the things that,
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like I knew it was in the 70s. I knew he had like been watching her. I knew he went in.
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I saw all that and I saw that there was a murder. I saw, but I didn't see the gory parts of it,
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the gory where he, does that make sense? So do some people actually see the gory parts of it?
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Is that deep? Cause I don't know if I could do, do you actually see that part? Can you
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see it? Yes, but you know what? If they're in spirit, they usually protect you. They really do.
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Okay. So that's what I was wondering. Yeah. So your team, your spiritual team protects you from
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seeing stuff like that then. And, and you can set the intent to not see, you know, if you know
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their, yeah, that you're just no other stab, you don't have to see everything. See it. That's what
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I was, cause when I do readings, I set the intent that I don't see people who are going to pass.
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I only see the people who like, I don't want to see people who are living. I don't want to see,
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cause that's hard information to bring through, right? I don't think that's there to consider or
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to the medium to, unless they choose that. But so I guess it would be same with forensics. You
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kind of choose what you want to see. Cause I didn't see the gory stuff. So I think my spiritual
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team knew I didn't want to. So they protected me for that. So that, that's really interesting that
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you kind of lay that out and explain that because then people maybe can do it if they're interested
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because they're, they're not going to see that stuff. And you know what? Yes, exactly. And some
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people have different like, um, categories that they're good at. So like we have, um, someone on
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our team who's a forensic astrologist and I also know how to do that, but I'm not fabulous at it.
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Right. That's not my thing. But so she'll do the forensic chart astrology chart. And then we'll
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look at that together and, um, you know, try to figure things out. I didn't even think about that.
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But of course you would, right? Of course you would. That's so interesting. We have another, um,
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gal that is fabulous at doing drawings. Like she's a portrait artist. I mean, I don't know
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what she is, but she is when she works that. That's awesome. We'll be like, Oh my gosh,
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yes, that's exactly who I'm seeing. You know? Yeah. So fascinating to me. I love it. I love it.
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I can't get it. So, um, so is that your most interest, but you also do paranormal, which I
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also kind of have started doing a little bit of that because I'm like you. I kind of want to shine
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light on the darkness, right? Like, but I still get a little freaked out. So, because I don't know
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about you, but I listened to Dave Schrader all the time. Yeah. 60 or 60. And some of the things
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that he talks about, I'm like, okay, that would totally freak me out. So what kind of paranormal
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stuff have you like done? Well, um, I used to be on teams. That's actually how I started. Another
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way I kind of tub tailed into this, um, you know, years ago. Um, and so, you know, I think you do
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a couple of things if you're on a team. You sometimes you have like a museum, a library,
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and then you do like investigations there with the public. And then other times you go to other
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places and do investigations, but talk about scared. I'm always like so scared, but not really, I guess,
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of what's going to happen. But like, even as a little girl, I was terrified of the dark. Right.
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So is it kind of like that same thing? Like when you get with readings, like when I get with
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readings, I get this little nervous. And I mean, I, I'm very confident what I do, but I get this
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little nervous, like this little, like butterflies, because I just know something magical is going to
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happen or something. So is that kind of like that? You get these like this nervous butterfly kind of
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thing going on? Like, you know, does that make sense? Yeah, exactly. And, and yes. So I don't know if
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it's just something about, you know, you don't always have to investigate in the dark, but a lot
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of people do. Right. I remember I don't go anywhere in the daytime, right? I did go to a
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paranormal investigation, which was awesome with the Pocatello investigating team. They were amazing.
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And, but the lady there that we were talking to you said that most of the action happens during
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the day. And so I'm just like, well, then that would, I would dare to that I would dare in the
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daytime. But a lot of these things that you see, it's always dark and scary. Is that, and sometimes
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that's just for, I guess, show, I don't know. But yeah, for sure. Like for sure on TV, a lot of that.
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Most of it time it's boring, right? You're just sitting for a long time. Because the lady was
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like this, I know that because we saw some action and I felt some stuff, but she, she felt bad, I
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think, because she felt like it, but it wasn't boring to me. It was my first one and I was like,
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this is so interesting to me. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's super interesting. And, and I think what used
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to scare me before I did this was you can feel like energy, you know, as it moves around you.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? It's almost like when you're
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I felt that I hear it comes in, you know, it's for me, I feel spirit and blend kind of with
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them when you're in an investigation. That's kind of random. So I think not knowing what I was feeling.
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Yeah, because you're right. Because I blend with them too. Like I kind of blend. But on the
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investigation, it was like, you didn't really know what to expect or you kind of,
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if they're like kind of around you in the back, it's kind of, it can feel creepy if you don't know,
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I guess. Right. You know, if you kind of don't know, if you haven't been in a lot of two,
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you know what I mean? It's your first one. But I'm kind of with you, like I would rather start
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some of them in the day. So then it wouldn't be so. Yes. So what's your like favorite memory of a
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paranormal investigation that you know? That's a really good question. But I think actually
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one that I can remember. I just went to Arthur Fillion College and did the paranormal and medium
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shift. And we went to a castle and that was really exciting. A, I've never been to a castle. B,
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you just feel like so much energy. There's like so many things that can come through. Okay, that's
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exciting. That's awesome. Yeah. As far as like things that have happened, I mean, they're just
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voices, you know, or get confirmation. You ask a question, you get confirmation. Right. Because
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things move. You might see things. Nothing that was like terrifying to you, like nothing. See,
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that makes me actually kind of, I mean, you know what I mean? Like, well, you know, because
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sometimes you hear you watch on TV and someone gets bit. Oh, yeah. No, nothing like that. Yeah. But
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I do when I go by myself, like if I go with the team and I'm in my in the hotel room by myself,
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and we're staying at the location, I sleep with the lights on sometimes. Okay, so I have to tell
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you this is so crazy. So I didn't go to an investigation, but I went to the paranormal.
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Oh, I don't want to para. It's in Vernon, Utah. It's by the Skinwalker Ranch. It's called Para
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Something Con. And, and like all of skinwalk, Bigfoot people are there on the big, you see,
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I'm like totally ruining all this for everybody because I don't know the specifics, but the guy
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who does the people who are on the Bigfoot show, they're there and then the Skinwalker Ranch people
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are there. So I went last year. Oh my God. Just being there, like in my hotel room that night,
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I had the one of the scariest moments and experiences, a paranormal experience. And I
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fully believe it's because that energy was there. Do you know what it like when you go back to
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like you were saying when you're in a paranormal investigation and then you go back to your hotel
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room and you have these experiences, that's yeah, that's exactly what happened at this
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Phenomicon, I think is what it's called in Vernon, Utah. That's amazing. Yes. So that I totally relate
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with that. And so that's kind of why I'm like, I'm kind of dabbling a little bit in paranormal
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stuff, but I kind of like, I'm taking it easy. You're probably like taking one of my glasses
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and learn how to do this, Carrie.
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Well, yeah, I'm the Freddy cat though, but I mean, I admit it.
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Yeah, that's me too. I would do one of those that I'm like, okay, I totally admit this.
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I love doing it, but I do get scared sometimes. And not there's really nothing to be scared of.
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It's just, you know what I find most fascinating, I don't know about you, is when I was taking that
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class with Cindy Keza and she talked about how a lot of her times that she would go to the places,
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she'd actually automatic write at the places. Yes. Yes. And I thought, oh my gosh, that would be
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do automatic writing at the place, because I always thought, because you know, when you've
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never done them, you don't know. And so I always thought you just had to kind of like the medium
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had to kind of just feel what was going on. But I'm like, automatic writing would be perfect
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during one of those things. Do you do automatic writing in your classes or do you do any of that?
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Yeah, we do. We do sometimes as a practice. I haven't done it like investigating paranormal,
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but yeah, that's such a great way to do something to try. Yeah. So do you have any
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like cool paranormal stuff coming up? Are you just focusing on your on your classes right now?
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I don't have any cool paranormal stuff coming up right now. I wish I did.
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Maybe we should get together and go to your one. Yes. Oh my gosh. That would be so much fun.
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Like that. Yeah, that would be fun. So if you so what would you tell somebody and this may be a
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hard question because I just like off the you know, because but what would you tell somebody who
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is beginning their psychic mediumship and they don't want to do the readings like I do all the
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time they want to go into psychic investigation or they want to go into the paranormal. What would
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you tell them? Because I know a lot of people one have fear, fear is the biggest thing fear of
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being wrong of one. Yeah, fear of being wrong of the information that they get and fear of just
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being having it be scary, right? Like being scared and having these things happen. So what would
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your biggest advice be where to start? Yeah, I always say just jump in because that's the only
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way you're going to know. And I think people really surprise themselves with the hits they get.
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Validation they get. And it's just practicing like what I had a class yesterday, because only
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yesterday. And you know, some of the people are like, well, I used to get this sign. But now
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there's something. Oh, I used to get blackbirds. And that meant circling meant somebody was passed
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like out in the open. And she said, now I'm getting the blackbirds and whitebirds. So
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yesterday, we were trying to figure out what that meant. So it's always adding to your toolbox.
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It's like, honestly, half the time, I mean, I, you know, a lot of times we're wrong.
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You know, you're wrong. Yep. And I tell people, yep, that I tell people all the time that no,
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no reading is ever 100% accurate ever. Like sometimes we are wrong because we're interpreting,
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right? We see the signs and we see the symbols, but we may interpret it wrong. And so that's kind
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of where it's on the sitter or the other to help us figure to help us figure out what it's actually
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what it's actually saying, what what spirits actually trying to tell us. So what did did you
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figure out what the whitebirds were? No, we didn't have time. The classes go by so fast.
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But we will because she takes classes from from me, you know, regularly. So we'll figure it out.
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You know, half of us are going to say, if I say, do you feel they're alive? Half are going to raise
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their hand and yeah, I know. It's something she's going to have to figure out on her own.
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But with help, yeah, but it's just, it's not like you just go in and just like immediately
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decide. It takes a lot of time. Yeah. Cause when some of my symbols and stuff change and when I do
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readings, I try and figure out like, I'll tell the sitter straight out, I've never seen this sign
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in a reading before. So I'm not sure what this is or what this means. So I have to explain to them
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exactly what I'm seeing. So maybe they understand it or hopefully in the future, they'll understand
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it. Right. So it's kind of similar to that. Well, now this has kind of got me a little bit into maybe
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like interested. You should come to a class. I know. So, so tell people, so tell people like
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what the class like, so what the, what some of the classes are like and then where they can find you
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or where, where, what like some of the things that they, where they can find you online or
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and things like that. Like where would they look for you? Okay. Of course. Well, my, my website is
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mediumkellychristin.com is I in, but I'm sure you'll get that. Yes. I'll put it in this. I'll
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put it in the show notes for everybody to see. Okay. And you also have the third eye sleuth one
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,240
too. Yeah. We don't talk about that either. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Okay.
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,360
And, and just the investigation classes are on my website. So you can see that. Okay. The third eye
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sleuth is where I make up cases and, oh, yeah, it's, it's a subscription, but you can try it for
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:57,040
free. And so each month I drop a new case and, you know, I videotape myself explaining things. And
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then they're broken down like into little chunks, I guess you would say. So you make them up or
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they're real ones that, no, they're real. They're real. Okay. Okay. So they're real. Okay. Go ahead.
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And, you know, the challenge is finding ones that people don't know about, but it's doable. So
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when they go through, like even the very first thing I ask them is try to feel in if we're
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working with a male or female today, like that simple. And then the next video, I'll tell them,
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oh, today we're working with a male, you know, and then we go on. We do that psychometry with the
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photo. So I have a question too, because I know some people get so nervous. So do you kind of just
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let them, do they have to tell you what they're thinking or do you let them kind of figure out
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,160
things on there? Because I know a lot of people, they don't like to go into these classes because
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they're so afraid of being wrong, right? So they don't like to go into these classes and be like,
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I'm getting a male and then be wrong. So do you kind of like let them figure out on their own a
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little bit? I love that for them first starting out, right? Yeah, this is actually a subscription. So
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,000
they do this all on their own. I'm just recorded and then they can, I ask them, I advise them to
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write down their findings so they can figure out how they're growing or how different cases feel,
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,320
because, you know, an old case is going to feel a lot different than someone that's missing now,
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,760
you know, or each case feels different. That's so cool. And so it's kind of like a murder mystery
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:33,440
every month that you. That's so awesome. I love that. So do you have different tiers of that? Or
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:40,960
do you have like different? I do. Is it on Patreon or is it different? No, it's on that website.
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,840
Oh, it's on the website. Okay. Yeah, the third eye sleuth. The third eye sleuth. Okay. And so if you
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click on that, you know, you read through and it'll pop up where you can get a free case for free
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,480
to try it and see if you like it. Yeah, if you like it. And if you don't, you don't. So yes, I have
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a tier two where they are, they get to, I get a Q&A once a month where they can ask me about that
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:12,240
case or any other case they're working on or any questions about them progressing. What else do I
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:19,600
have in the tier two? Like it's something else. I'm drawing a blank. That's okay. It's on these
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podcasts. You always, I do the same thing when I put on this one. I can't remember. But yeah,
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also too, can they like cancel at any time after the first month or so they're not like stuck in a
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membership? Ever. Yeah, because I hate that myself. Yeah. So you just, you just go and if you don't
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:43,360
like it, it's not for you. Then you. That's like the coolest thing ever. I've never even heard of
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that. So how did you just decide? Well, Spirit obviously was just like, this is what you need to
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do. Right? Well, yeah, I signed up. I always have fear of missing out. So like the night before,
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I signed up for this class, a six week class. And it was hard. So I built it during that class. It
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,240
was a great experience, but technical stuff is not my. Yeah, that's the thing that comes
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:11,360
sometimes get mediums is the technical stuff. Luckily, I am just really good at technical
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,400
things. So I just came, but a lot of times some, because, because we're so like wanting up here
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that we're, that's the grounding stuff is what we don't really love to do. But luckily, I just,
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I just kind of know, but yeah, that's what stops a lot of people. That's awesome though that you
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,920
took the class and did it. I think that's really cool. Yeah. So I don't, yeah, I have no idea what
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funnels are now I do, but I didn't know how to build one or use them. That kind of stuff is not in my
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toolbox. Yeah, it's not everybody. But I did it. So I have it. So they come with that. Yeah, I think
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it's fun. It's, it's fun to do. I bet it is. I bet it is actually. So do you have any, so besides the
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:55,920
third ice loos and some of your classes that they can find on your website, do you have any events
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coming up or anything like that? I do. I am so, so excited. I have like a 12 week mentorship,
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:09,120
a psychic investigation mentorship. And I was so lucky to get fabulous guests to come.
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They're going to present the first hour and it's a three hour class. And so I have the first one's
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going to be law enforcement. So they can figure out, find out how, what is, because it's always a
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question I get. Why is that law enforcement doing anything? You know, and there's a reason, right?
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We don't start knowing what it is. Right. We're going to have them tell us what that is.
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Yes. And just how they go about finding a missing person, what do they do first, you know, etc.
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I have a handwriting, someone who does handwriting analysis. So she'll bring in like,
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I don't know what she's going to bring in, but like, I know online she has,
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she's compared the note for John Bonnet Ramsey case, you know, Ramsey note. So,
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yeah, that's going to be fun. I have someone doing forensic astrology.
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But I've never, I have to, you're the first time I've heard about that. So that's so interesting.
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I love it. I'll probably look into that too. Yeah, that's awesome. So they're going to,
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so all these, you're going to have these different speakers for this event, for this.
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Yeah. Sorry, it starts on September 8th. Nice. So they'll start, they'll like, present what they're
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good at. And then the rest of the time, we're going to practice that skill with real cases.
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How fun is that? That's okay. So I will admit, that's kind of the puzzle piece in me. Like, I love,
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that's why I love reading so much is because I love to try and put it together. I love to try and
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put the pieces together. Like, like, sometimes I would love chemistry just because I would like to
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figure it out. I'd figure out that. So that would actually be cool because that sounds like you'd
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put all those pieces and have it kind of put it together, put the puzzle pieces together, right?
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Right. Yeah. So cool. So cool. So do you have like a limit? Is it getting full? I mean,
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I just put it up not too long ago. It's not, but Early Bird is right now. And I mean, it's 12,
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12 classes. So eight. This is online. Yes. Yes. And then a one hour class, I think twice a month,
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where they can come and ask me any questions or we can talk about what they practice. So the
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idea is they're going to practice forensic astrology on their own and then come to the class
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and like answer questions. So right now is Early Bird until the 18th and it's only 444.
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Oh, 444. That's a protection number. That is so awesome. Yeah. I think it's going to be great.
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I'm really excited about it. And my hope is that then next spring, I'll add another section,
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you know, like something different, but continuing. Continuing. So they can always like get more.
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I love it because I have had a couple of students of mine that do want to go into forensics and I
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don't know where to send them or I don't know where to. I mean, the only forensic medium I've
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ever even heard of that talked about what she did was like Jennifer Schaefer, but I don't even know
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if she like does classes or stuff anymore. I don't know. And so I don't think she, I haven't seen
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any. So I think this is perfect because I have lots of students who are like, well, look, I kind
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of want to do forensic and I'd be like, I have no clue where to go for forensic stuff. So this is
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great that I could send them to you and you have this, like all of this stuff for them. And I even
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actually might do it just because I'm interested too. I might just be like, hey, I want to try that.
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Just depends on what I'm doing, when the retreat is, when all this stuff is. So yeah,
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interesting. I, well, first off, I want to thank you for coming because this has been so
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knowledgeable for me and I know my listeners too. I know they're just like loving this because
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sometimes they'll be like, why don't you do that part? And now they know why, but now they know
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maybe I might step into that a little bit. So it's been so amazing and I loved having you. I love
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having you on. I will put all of your information in the show notes. And is there anything last
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minute that you just want to say or let, you know, I, this is so hard because you're just like,
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I don't know. I don't like to put you on the spot, right? Like you put me.
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Just if you, if you want to try it, try it, you know, sometimes I do like a free, and I should
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do that soon, maybe like a free like hour, ask me any questions about it. Like if you have, you
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know, if you're having, I think you may want to do it, but you're not sure. Right. So.
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That would be good. Yes. Okay. Well, I'll put all of your information down. It's been such an
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awesome experience having you on. I love it. And I, hopefully, you know, people will come if
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they're interested and it'll be, it'll be a good experience. Thank you so much for being here.
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Thank you.
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I just, okay, there we go.
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