Hey Meg, welcome to this Spunky Spirit podcast. Now, first off, I want to read your bio because
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I think it is amazing. I think it's hilarious. So, Meggy Lee. So, if I get anything wrong,
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let me know. But Meggy Lee Kelvin is an amazing Amazon bestselling author, wife, mom, master
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air guitar player. That's like my favorite. Speaker and coach who helps spiritually attuned
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go-getters write, market, and sell their Amazon bestselling books on Kindle. Paperback and
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Audible. She is best known for her intuitive gifts, which I love. Unconventional practices
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that help writers become creatively unblocked. And her award worthy performance as a tree
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in a midsummer's night dream as a third grader. That is also my favorite. Welcome to the podcast.
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I'm so excited to talk to you. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. And I was curious
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about your daughter's wedding. Did they have a dessert bar like the new trend or do they
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have an actual wedding cake? They had an actual wedding cake, but they did serve dinner to
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everybody. They had, so it was, it was, it was nice. It was, it was fun, fun, fun. The
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dessert was just the wedding cake. It was just the wedding cake, but it was good. Yeah,
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it was pretty good. It was, it was awesome. Like a great, great end to the summer for
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me. Great. Like now we're getting into the fall. So yeah, it was good. Yeah. So the thing
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I'm most excited about is one, I do have a lot of clients and listeners out there that
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do want to write their own book. And so this is perfect because even I want to kind of
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write my own book too about how, you know, my journey to mediumship going from one, from
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you know, a pretty, pretty, you know, strict religion to, to going to, you know, writing
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a book. But I have a lot of clients that they're the one to do the same, but my favorite too
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that I want to talk about a lot too is just writing how you feel like writing your story
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can be very healing because I know a lot of, a lot of my clients and listeners are going
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through shadow work and things like that. So first off, tell me a little bit about like
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who you are, how you decided to do this. And I want to talk about your intuitive gifts too,
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but let's, all of that in summary, let's go to first, um, how did you start this work
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and what did you do to get here? Yes. May this be the shortest version possible. Cliff
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notes, Cliff notes, Cliff notes of the journey. Right. Very, very similar to you raised very
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religiously, um, prod, Protestant, mainline Protestant. Yeah. And overcame big tea trauma
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in early childhood. And so when I, when I was six met God, source the divine, whatever
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word we want to use for that experience, the palpable healing presence of God as a six
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year old, as the only white girl in an all black gospel choir. My mom's secretary got
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me to sing with her in. And so that sparked something in me already saying too much. And,
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um, and so felt just wasn't fell in love with the church was felt safe in the church, um,
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loved the church was getting applause and affirmation for singing and preaching. And
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that applause and affirmation was filling a hole. You probably know where this is going
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that was right. Meeting needs that weren't being met at home. And so applause and that
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season for my name. So applause became synonymous to love for me at 13. I began preaching. Now
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I know that I was channeling. I didn't have that vocabulary. Yeah, because I'm seeing
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with me when I was little, you don't know back then. Yes. Yeah, go ahead. And so my,
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my grandparents were missionaries and they would carry me around as a show pony and I
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would preach and sing at 13 and these conferences and churches and mission trips. A lot of
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good came from that season. I was in that season until I was 32. So from 13 to 32, I
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went, I went in between that time went to seminary was a minister. Love studying in
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seminary, how to write curriculum and pastoral care. And don't you think too, and I'm sorry
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to interrupt, but when you're kind of in that, it does feel good, right? Like that really
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does because it does have some, some good qualities or some good and you feel like
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you're doing the right thing. And you know what I mean? Like I'm not saying that it's
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bad, but you feel like you're just, there's just these moments where you just feel like
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everything's so good. You know what I mean? You feel like you're, that's, you know, you
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don't have to say.
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Yeah, 100%. Yes, it served me. It served me then. And yeah, exactly. So my soul definitely
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agreed to all of it, even the hard stuff and that my fethers, but my soul agreed to all
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of it 100%. Yeah, mine did too at the time because that's what I needed at the time.
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Yes, right? Yeah, totally. Yes, totally. Well, when I was 28, I went to an, the same
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grandmother who basically groomed me to be a pastor. I went to, she took me on this
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somatic enneagram retreat. I was 28. I already said that. And on that retreat, it was very
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healing, holy moly, phenomenally healing. I was asked a very simple question, but to
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me it was everything. The facilitator asked me in front of everyone, mind you, which is
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what happens on retreats. Right. I was asked, what is, what is one thing that you could
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do, Meg? If no one ever was to know you did it and never applauded you for it, it would
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bring you, it would still bring you an immense amount of pleasure and you lose all track
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of time. What is that thing? And without missing a beat, I said it would be writing and that,
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and then I also was awakened. I wanted to be a mom at that point. So that awakened me
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to the fact that I had been living in vocationally living from a place of impressing, appeasing,
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defensing and not from pleasure and not from joy and not from flow. Right. For the outside
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approval, the outside approval. Yes. That's what I, that's crazy. It's kind of the same,
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very similar to me too. I've always wanted that outside approval. And honestly too, one
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of my goals was to be a mom, be, be a mom. And so it's kind of, it's kind of weird how
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we kind of have the same, you know, synchronized backgrounds. It's, I totally get it. But yes,
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trying to figure out why we need that outside applause is really, really one of the steps.
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I think one of the biggest steps to shadow work, if that's one of your issues, right?
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Because there are some people out there, don't you think there's some people out there that
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don't care what other people think? And I wish sometimes I wish I sometimes had that
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ability, but I am not one of those people. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go
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ahead. Oh, I'm glad you are. I'm going to tell every podcast host who I guess on their
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show, can you be like Carrie and just have a conversation with me instead of me giving
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you my documentary of my life? And I know, right? Because I have to be like, Oh, wait,
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wait, I have a story. I would, yes, yes. Yes. So it's all ready. Okay. So you're 28.
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You decided that you were kind of, you knew what you wanted to do then. So you kind of
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were not in the right, you weren't there. Like you weren't, so you knew now what you
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wanted to do. So what'd you do after that? Yes. So I, I became a mom and then I started,
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when my daughter was one, I started my first book and it got picked up by a publishing
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company 2017. Nice. That's good. February. And then I was not aware of my intuitive gifts
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yet. I had not remembered them yet at this point in the story. I will say this though.
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My whole life, I always felt that Jesus was Jesus and the Christian churches, we know
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it today was telling part of the story. My grandfather, my grandmother gets a lot of
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credit for that because she had me reading Joan Shiddister, Mary Ann Williamson, Richard
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Rohr at a very young age. She opened me up to that truth. And I appreciate that because
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it made crossing over into the metaphysical world and meeting my guides and studying Chakras
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and past life regression. All of that. All of it is easier. Yes. I agree. I think that
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the religion really helped me ask a lot of questions of, you know, if you can't answer
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this, where do I find the answer? Or where can I, you know, I'm always asking questions,
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well, why, why does this happen? Where does this go? And, and I think that ultimately
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the religion led me to that. It led me to my gifts. Well, you know, in, in all reality,
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I went to the religion because I thought my gifts were evil, to be honest. And so, but
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when I went to the religion and started asking these questions, I kind of realized that it
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wasn't that. So very, very, I needed that. Again, we're saying we needed that step to
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get to where we were, right? So that's awesome. So now you're, so you wrote your first book,
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it got it published. That's kind of amazing. Good job. Yes. Oh, thank you. Yes. Yes. I submitted
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it to eight publishing companies and they took, they take a while to get back to you.
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And in that point, I was impatient. I mean, I self published this and it was extremely
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difficult. So I gave up. And, and so I heard back from two publishing companies that they
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wanted it and I went, I chose one. And after that book was picked up, I began hearing from
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other people that they also had really healing and helpful and positive books inside of them,
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but they had limiting beliefs around monetizing their gifts around marketing being slimy or
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egotistical, right around their target audience or their talent. And so, and I kind of publishing
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always was a big, you know, because now I think I'm not sure what we're going to talk
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to you about this, but I think self publishing is a lot easier than it used to be. And so,
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and that's kind of the way to go now, because back in the day back, you know, that's self
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publishing was kind of self, it was kind of almost self sabotage. You had to have a publisher,
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right? Or that's what people made you think, right? So, so yeah, so you were learning about
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all these people that had their stories.
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Yes. And I was also coaching other ministers at the time to prevent burnout and compassion
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fatigue, which is really funny or ironic, because I was evocationally evolving and getting
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burnt out, not burnt out, just I was my body was telling me it's time. It's this is cocoon
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discomfort, it's time to break out. Yes. So, in, in March, I am a friend asked me, will
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will you will you always be in this church? Because I've been in the same church for 15
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years. And before that moment, before the book came out, I would have said, yes, I'm
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going to retire here to him. And then there was I literally said to her, something is
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coming. I don't know what it is, but something is coming. And so now I know that was my
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intuition. Then I didn't have that word for it. And I wouldn't even say precognition, it
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was just this deep deep knowing I guess clear, clear cognizance that something is coming.
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Then in March, something there was a situation that helped me be able to say from a place
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of integrity, I love you all and it's time for me to leave without without burning down
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any bridges or burning any bridges or anything. So then I started my second book, which was
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I describe it as like Seth Meyers and a nun conceived a book baby together. And it's
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I don't self help and it tells my story. And one Seth Meyers who's Seth Meyers, the is
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that the channeling Seth? Who is Seth Meyers? He's a comedian from a Saturday Night Live.
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He has his own show now. Oh, that's right. I love Saturday Night Live. I was going to ask
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you about that. Yes, I'm obsessed with it. Right. Okay, good. Okay. That's Seth Meyers.
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So you write kind of a funny man, funny Seth Meyers. Okay, go ahead. I just was like,
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I don't know who said yes. Yes. So it's definitely dry and self deprecating. And it tells
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this story. I am my own sanctuary. How are recovering Holy Roller found healing and power
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that came out in 2019 December. And then in January of 2020, I launched my business. I
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left the church and I went I knew I needed I had this insane in spiritual enlightening
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moment with a past life regression. And I wanted to ask a little bit to you. And this is kind
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of maybe all the subject for just a second, but leaving the church. I do in, you know, I do
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have a lot of listeners that are kind of going through a faith crisis of some sort or trying
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to lead their religion. And that wasn't an easy thing, right? Like, or I mean, wasn't easy for
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you because most of the time it's not for people. But I want to kind of know what your
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experience was a little bit was that like, okay, this is what I'm going to do. So I know, or
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was this like kind of like a little bit at a time thing for you. Sorry, it's not too
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I'm thinking the shortest way to answer it. As always, okay, you're good. I'm like
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interrupting encyclopedia most of the time. Okay.
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It was hard. Yeah. And I'm, I'm so thankful. I was thinking I had a feeling you would ask
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this question and shadow work. Shadow work was very important. It was also important for
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me and I think this might help others that are in a place similar. It was helpful to me. When I
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saw people who had a life like I wanted my life to look to reach out to them and ask, ask them
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questions about how they got there. Right. Those people that were most helpful to me that were
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kind of a lighthouse were those that were also diehard, overcommitted, overworked Christians
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that also had spiritual awakenings where they stepped into the metaphysical world as well.
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And that was helpful to me to talk with them. That community. Yeah, I think that's important
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to you. Yeah. And then I just had an insane I had the moment that started it all was this
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my daughter who was four at the time she's now almost 10, but she was four at the time
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she had a dream and spoke over me something. And that was that awakened me to this
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total validation world. Yes. Yes. And then I was able to reach out to a friend who was already
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very metaphysical and in what he the advice he gave me. And so that that led to me releasing this
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book that called out purity culture that talked about sex and body image and shame and guilt and
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right stars from the church. And then I I wrote the book and then I wrote as for most authors,
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I've noticed I've been honored to serve 54 since I started my business. That's amazing.
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Five years ago. So that's awesome. I've note. Thank you. I've noticed that they're
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often is there the voice of the inner critic isn't theirs. It is usually,
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I know people already think it's usually a guardian or parent, a mentor, a pastor or teacher.
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There's someone else in their head that they're really the culprit for their writer's block.
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Not all of the time. Do you think that they show that's part of their ego that's trying to keep
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them safe that showing up as that person? Or do you think that it's like, do you really think
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that it's like part of just that thing that they don't want to the symbolism of that thing?
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So do you think it's part of their, do you know what I mean? Yes, I think it's really
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them blocking themselves with their ego trying to give them safe and that's the symbolism they
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use. Or do you think it's just something in their trauma that symbolized that way?
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And that's kind of a hard question. I guess we wouldn't that's like, we wouldn't know really,
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but it's there, obviously, right? Yes, what's coming. Yeah, what's coming to me is from my
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experience, the subconscious speaks in symbols and memories and not it doesn't. So it's part of the
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trauma. It's part of the trauma that has a symbolism to it. Yes, but I think I, and the ego, I agree,
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is that was a safety mechanism at that point in their life to survive that relational system.
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And that voice was attached to it because they, from my experience.
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Right, because the ego can show up as different things like that, trying to keep us safe,
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trying not, the ego doesn't want us to expand, right? So that's like, yeah, so that's what I
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think too. That's, that's the biggest thing I think too. So, yes, so thank you for answering
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that just because I want people to be aware a lot of my listeners to that, that, you know,
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leaving from one belief to another isn't always an easy thing. It's not always like one day I
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decided to just go and do you know what I mean? That that in transition, you could probably write
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a book on just that alone, probably. Yeah, yes. Yes. And as you've made very clear on your other
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episodes, it feels, even though it's uncomfortable, it still felt like home. When I, when I signed up
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for my first class to develop my intuitive gifts, and I paid for my first quantum healing
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hypnotherapy journey, it never felt, it never felt heavy or dense or tense or scary. It felt like
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home and their validation like you got from the daughter's dream. Like when you go into that,
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get that validation from spirit, which is awesome. Yes. So, so, so much so and then really the last
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thing I'll say on this question, I think it might help listeners to know that
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you, anything healthy grows. And that sometimes most of the time means that you will outgrow
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mentors and that is okay. You can love them and thank them and let them orbit away like a planet
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and if they're meant to orbit back, they will. But you have also put most likely outgrown them.
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And that was my experience with the book that I had to outgrow to Christian mentors in my life.
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And that is that is that I can do that from a place of integrity. And so can your listeners. It
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means they are healthy and they're evolving and growing. To be honest, I have to be 100% because
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I'm just like so I like to be very, I don't know what the word is, but very transparent. That message
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was actually probably for my listeners, but very much for me today too. So thank you for that.
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Thank you. Thank you. So you're in, so you're on your second book, right? And we're in this one.
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Now, what was this one? This is the Seth Meyers one. The one where, yes. Okay, go ahead.
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I just keep it a rep to you and I'm sorry, keep going. Keep going. It's perfect. It's perfect.
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I was, I was so fortunate. My best friend from childhood is an amazing business coach. And
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he reached out with my second book and said, do you think you could help me write a book if I,
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for my business, to grow leads and all that business jargon we use? If I make you a master
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of organic social media marketing and building a brand, and I said 100% let's do it. And so
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he gets a lot of credit for my business taking, taking off. And when I first started, oh, I'll
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pause. I knew it was time to leave the church. I went to a friend who had another nonprofit.
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And I said, I'm, I mean, though I'm vocationally evolving. I just want something for like two
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years so I can start my side, I can start my coaching business. So I need a bridge. Could I'm,
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these are the skills I offer you. And he hired me on the spot, thankfully. And he was a connection
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that my grandmother introduced me to when I was 12, another, I think a soul group for sure.
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So I worked there for two years, director of mark engagement, doing marketing with
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online Christian course creators while I started my business. And when I first started my business,
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my role was my offer was I wanted to help other recovering holy rollers, if you will,
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very religious people who, like I said, had limiting beliefs around marketing or monetizing
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their abilities. And I wanted to help them and they, they believed ambition was good and holy
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that it could be good and holy. They had a high frequency of service to others and their books
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were explicitly spiritual. So that was my, when I first started and all that I did was help them
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write their book nonfiction was when I started just when I started and then submit queries
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to publishing companies. And that was 2020. And that was awesome. And then in 2021, as you said,
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a lot has changed. I realized, oh my goodness, I, it was so sad to me to see how my the authors
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I was serving, how their books were so censored. I had a client who had a moment of rape in her
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memoir. And the publishing company said, we can't talk about that in our books, please remove this
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scene from your memoir. So I was so frustrated. She didn't do it. She came back to me and my team
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took care of it for, but I was frustrated by the lack of royalties, the lack of rights and the lack
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of just the censorship rules. And I realized by that point, I knew enough and I knew what I didn't
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know to bring on a team of people. So I have six people now. And we take care of, since 2021, we
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take care of everything that an author needs to write, market and sell their Amazon bestselling
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book on Audible, Kindle and paperback going self-published. So instead of 86 cents for every $14
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book they sell, they get to keep 40 to 70% of the royalties and all the other benefits and
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everything's a true partnership that covers all choice. And of course, they get, they get me,
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in my zone of genius, the unblocking and the marketing and the brand building. And then my,
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the rest of my team takes care of the rest for them. So that was, that was my journey. And now,
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now I would say my target audience has changed since 2020 to where there are wonderfully authors
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all over the theological spectrum. So a Boudoir photographer that dabbles in Buddhism and then
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a very conservative Baptist preacher with a heart of gold. And as I shared, I've worked with
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still very high frequency though, very high definitely people. Yeah, like that's still,
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it's so funny because it's just about intention, right? Your intention is to help other people
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raise the frequency. So it doesn't really matter if it's in a religion or you know what I mean,
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like it's just very, very much high frequency. So, so now, so do you actually, so people who want
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to write books or there are two different things. So people who actually want to write books and
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publish them and put them out there, do you like give them, do you help them through the process
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and then help them market them or put them on Amazon and all. And then do you also just help
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people who just want to write their story without it getting published? Are there two,
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do you do both of those things or just the publishing thing?
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All of it. I have 11, 11 different offerings or packages. So whatever, whatever the author
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wants, whatever, sometimes they have an idea on a post-it note. This is a book and sometimes they
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have a finished manuscript and we do every, everything they need. I give them and like at
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all exclusive resort with my team. And so I'm so thankful for the time I had working with
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traditional publishing companies. Right. Because you learned it. Right. And now you know it.
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So I kind of have two, well, two questions. I think they can find how they might be,
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so they might be the same question, but how do you feel? So I know when you reached out and when
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we, when we talked about doing this podcast and you really feel strongly that people telling their
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story is a very healing mechanism. And I, I totally agree with that. And because it's kind of different
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than automatic writing, right? Like automatic writing is you, you connecting and, but at the
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same time it's you connecting, but you're writing your story. So explain to me how you feel like,
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because I totally agree with you, but how do you, why do you feel like writing your story,
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even if you're not going to publish it is a very healing process for you, for, for the people,
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for people. Yes. You'll come to know this about me that I will sometimes answer
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by sharing about a comedian. You're totally fine because I think that's hilarious.
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So there is this amazing show called Ghost. It was a region. Have you seen the American version
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of Ghost on Indie? I haven't. So I, you're, you're not talking about the sitcom. No. Okay. Is that
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the one where they all live with a couple? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. I have seen some of those.
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So it's a British, it was a British show first, calm down Meg, calm down. And it's a comedian,
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group of comedians, they've, they're called them there. They've been writing together for nine
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years. I've already said too much. Anyway, there's a character on that show whose name is
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Gollybum. I can't give his last name, but his, his name is Ben and he plays a World War II
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British soldier. He's obviously a ghost. And when the show first started, he was interviewed.
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And he, he, about his, who was his muse for his character? And as he shared, it was obvious that
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there were many men in his life when he was a kid that were this soldier that weren't, that weren't
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kind to him. They were, they were, you could tell they were, it was an abusive relationship.
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And he was being a comedian, taking, taking the power away from it. He was poking fun at it.
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And this was, right when the show started. Well, five, four or five years go by, the show has come
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to an end this year. And they interviewed him again. And he, he was, he was tearing up saying goodbye
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to this character that he had been playing. And it was obvious that after five years of
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revisiting certain memories that he had to get in character and trying on the values, the motives,
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the quirks, the backstory, the pain of that antagonist, he forgave them and had love for them and let
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them go. I only share that story to say, I have noticed that in whenever I write for a memoir,
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or when I guide a, another author, if I hold a sacred space for them to write, that when they,
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when they revisit it, sometimes the book is coming up. Now it's, it's talking to us. It's saying
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2025, publish me then. It's because your higher self, my experience, my opinion, the higher self
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believes you're ready to forgive that memory, that, that person. And by revisiting the story,
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sometimes, and from my experience with authors, it has led to a letter being written to that person,
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maybe not even being sent. A sweat, an actual sweaty palm conversation with that person that
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did cause harm. Right. The book's a vehicle for forgiveness, even if the book is never published
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to serve other people. But we, you get to see that memory from a different perspective.
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Like as third person kind of, right? And how you were involved in it too. And you just were doing,
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yeah, that's actually brilliant. I love that. I think that that's amazing. And I can totally see
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that because that's how a lot of people just seeing it in third person, you see yourself
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and you see how you could have, you couldn't have really handled, you just handled it the
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best way you could have at the time. Right. Like that's like, yeah, that's awesome. So, so,
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Oh, sorry. Can I say one more thing? No, yeah, go ahead. In a memoir, one of the rules is it's,
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this is also very healing is the best memoirs the author doesn't offer commentary or analysis
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in the moment. They just let the reader watch the, watch that movie scene and come to their own
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opinion about the scene. And that can also be very healing in regards to the author reframing the
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story. And net not very, from my experience, not just if not justifying or saying that was,
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we come in writing our memoirs, especially about trauma and hard things that we overcame. Yes.
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We come in with a healthy balance of I was the victim, but I'm not, I'm also a survivor.
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Right. Balancing that those frequencies when writing is all, making a conscious choice to
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write it from that headspace and heart space is also very, very healing, even if no readers
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get the gift of your book. Right. Here's my problem. This is why I, this is why I, and so I
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want to ask you a little bit about this because I saw on one of your posts the other day on Instagram,
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it was something to the effect of a lady was writing a book, but she wasn't putting everything in it
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because, because she wanted to hold back because of what either others would think family would
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think or things like so, so I don't know what I'm trying to ask. So if you were going to publish
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a book, are there some things, I mean, you can write it on my, my biggest fear is that I'm going
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to write all of my deepest dark shadow stuff. And someone's going to find it. Oh my gosh, she's
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do you know what I mean? Like, does that make sense? So when you write a book and you want it
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published, do you need to just like put it out? I mean, I guess you don't put it out all on just
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for everybody to see you have to like edit some of it. Right. But my thing is, is some of the stories
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I need to tell, I don't feel like I can quite yet because of who would read it. Does that make
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sense to you? So it's a book like a calling and you're just like, because you know, some people
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are like, it called to me and I kind of feel like that too. I know I'm supposed to write it. I just
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don't know when and I don't know. So I kind of put it off and put it off and I know that I need to
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be doing it. But I'm also thinking there's some things I need to put in there, but I don't know
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if I can do that quite yet. Does that make sense to you? I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
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Yes. One of them, one of my favorite exercises to do when this comes up in myself, I'm working on
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my third book now and in authors, one of my favorite things to do for this specific moment
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that happens a lot. There's a comic that I always quote, I'm going to butcher his name though. It's
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not Jason Alexander because I'm pretty sure that's George from Seinfeld. But it is not him. Jason
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Aaron, it doesn't matter. There's a comic book art and he has this quote that says, you must write
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like your parents are dead. And so this is very normal. So my favorite exercise to do is we have
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two different versions of the same exact vignette or chapter. In one version, we write it as though
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the person we're afraid of offending is in the room and is hovering and is watching us write it.
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And then we write a second version of that same exact chapter as if that person is very, very
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happy and supportive. Or if it even helps, they'll have to pretend they will never read it.
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Margaret Atwood says that as well. The only way to write the truth is to write with your
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dominant hand and then imagine erasing it with the non-dominant hand. And then with those two
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exercises, one pretending like they've seen it and they hate it and they're mad at you. And the other
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is if they're applauding you, they're so thankful and they've been healing for them to read it.
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And then we reflect how did your body feel when you were writing the second one?
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How was your state of flow when you're writing the second one? And which one do you want to keep?
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And most 99.9% of the time, the author chooses to keep the second one where they wrote from a place
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of I am supported in writing this. And then we have the second step, which is is a sweaty palm
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conversation needed if the person is safe to be around. Or is this a write a letter, burn it, or
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write something needs to happen after the chapter is written. And then the third step is
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let's say that person is never going like I want to release this second version of this chapter
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where I wrote as though I was fully supported and the person loved it. But in this 3D, a human
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experience that person is never going to support this. Now what do I do? So then we get to do a
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guided excerpt, we get to do a journaling exercise or a meditation together or some other unconventional
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practice where we come home to the fact that we are, we are, we are, as you already know,
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divinely loved, divinely supported, no matter what. And we need to reframe that story with this
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in our relationship with this person. And then the last step would be, okay, I'm going to release
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this puppy. What names do I need to change? Or yeah, I'll pause. How does any of that feel?
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That's fascinating, actually. I love that because I think that that's some of the reason why a lot
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of my clients, I mean, just just writing a book is overwhelming anyway. So I love that you,
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like, basically you pretty much guide and coach the whole experience of the experience of what
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they want to do. If they want to do it for healing, you'll guide and coach that way. If they want to
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write a book, you'll guide and coach that way. Like, and so they're like, because so many people
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want to do this or write their story or even if they just want to leave it for their family,
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right? Like, they, yes, yes. And, and so, but they don't even know where to start or they feel
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like it's so overwhelming. And so I love that you go through the whole process with them. And I
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love too that it is unconditional. I love that you tap into spirit and you tap it into your,
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you tap into your intuition. I love that, you know, I could totally tell during some of these
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questions that I asked you, you totally paused and tapped into your intuition to ask them
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and to get the answers. So, so it's not like you're just doing, I mean, there are basic steps,
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obviously, but I love that for each client or for each person that you will tweak those basic
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steps for their needs or for their spirit or where they're at or where they're, it is kind of like
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coaching a sport, honestly, you know, just like kind of like coaching, here's how you're going
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to do it. And I think I think a lot of my listeners will love that just for the reason if they,
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even if they don't want to publish that they're trying to go through this awakening or they're
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trying to go through this and they need to process some of that stuff. And so I, I am so excited
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that you're here and that you get to bring that to them. So where can, where can my, where can
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they find you? Obviously, I'll put everything about you in the show notes. But where else can
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they find you or what other, you know, what other things like do you have any other services that
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you provide or where can, where can they, where can my listeners find you? Yes, yes. So I would love
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to give your listeners, I have a free training that is five ways to know your, your first book or
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five ways to know which book to write first. So whether you have too many ideas, you're like,
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I don't know which one to write first, or you're thinking, what is my first book idea? I'm not
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clear on it yet. I have a free training for that. And so it's a video training with a,
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which is one printable action sheet that I advise you to write in while you watch the video. I'll,
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I'll say pause the video, write this down, answer this question. And so if they go to
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megcalvin.com, it's right, it's right there. And they can have that to guide them through releasing
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their healing and helpful book into the world. And then of course, Instagram at Hey, Hey, Meg, Calvin.
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Hey, Meg Calvin, good. Awesome. Okay, that's so awesome. I'm so glad that you decided, I'm so glad
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that we did this because I was so interested, but I just know that so many of my clients are,
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and I just think it's a beautiful thing. I think that writing, it's just an art, right? Like it's
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either writing or whatever it is that you're called to you. And I know lots of my clients
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are called to writing. And so thank you so much for being on, being on today's show. And is there
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anything else that you want to leave with, you know, that's such a hard question because there's so
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many, like, I have a short answer. You'll like it. Good. I will leave by saying, quoting the Sufi
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poet Rumi who says, remember that which you seek is also seeking you. Thank you. That's awesome.
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Okay, I love it. And thank you for joining us today. And I, okay.
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